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Why Jews had taken Deir Yasin?
Im not trying to provoke. Its just that Im not so familiar with that.Im not kidding. Can you direct me to an objective source of information in the web that conferms what youve said? To be honest Im the last person to critisize Palestinians. Traveling aound the world made me understand that nobody wants war for nothing. Humen nature wants peace, dosent want to deal with the waste of time of war. I dont realy believe that the arab world is so angry with Israel just because of primative pride, like many Israelies think. |
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We are going to have to stop meeting like this, "Jew". (I wish you would change your userId it seems somehow disrespectful to address you as "Jew".
I was referring to the fact that prior to May 1948 Jews had taken, eg. Deir Yasin - several miles outside the area proposed for the Jews and well inside the territory proposed for the Arabs. A lot of Arabs left their homes after hearing about this massacre, fearful for themselves, and the Jews took those villages/towns also. That is one example - there are others. I agree with you that the lines drawn by outsiders determining the boundaries were illogical in many cases, given the Jewish population cf the Arab population. But that is history. and I doubt Israelis would ever countenance a majority of Arabs in Israel. |
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An answer to the comment answering my comment.
As it is shown in the maps of this site, the zionist armed forces were holding only the territory that was given to them by the UN, in may 1948. However a demographic map following thet map explains why the UN Partition was far from being fair to the native residents of Palestine. Tel Aviv and Haifa were the only regions where there was a majority of jews. According to these facts Arab rejection to the separation is definitely understandable. The Jews were not ready to accept being under Arab control but were expecting the Arabs in their given territories to be under Jewish control. It is wrong and assymetric; physically, spiritually and politically. Yet, nobody said this problem couldnt be solved in unviolent ways. But passion was strong among the Arabs(for a good cause) and this was the way that was chosen to solve this injustice, and was the prefered way after that and still is. Imagine what would have happened if Arabs chose differently. How israel could have looked today, with an Arab majority in the Kneset. Yes, to remind you, Israel is a democracy and its Arab citizens get fully represented by their leaders in the Parliament. If Arabs didnt start the war, the Zionist army wouldnt have committed the crime of kicking people out of their houses; the huge inhumane crisis of refugee camps wouldnt exist. I am not a big fan of my home counry, Israel. I dont like the people's mentality, the politicians, the artificial culture and the lack of authentity which governs most aspects of it. But as a Jew, I cannot forget that this counry at its basics was founded as a refugee camp for Jews. And Judaism is not a violent culture, no matter how unsuccesful I think it is, and as refugees from the holocaust, the last thing Jews looked for in Palestine was war(although they found it very comfortable to unleash their revenges from history on the week Palestinians, as the author of the spartan jew claims). In conclution, I believe the one side that can really lead to end this conflict, and stop the Israeli over used aggresiveness, is the Arab side. I believe that with enough intention, Palestinians can get compensetion for all they deserve. But continuing to use violence will lead to more violence, just like it happened before. |
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We the Muslims have no unity.Remember divided we fall,united we stand.There is no Muslims standing.I saw many Prostestants and Catholics having unity at dining tables.We the muslims hate either of sunnis and shias.One notable thing we should remember is all the dacoities,lootings,terrorist activities carry the Muslim name.As a Muslim community we could not prevent the terrorism.We should remember Islam stands tall but Muslims are watched as a culprits.Islam have failed to contain the terrorism,Muslims too failed.Finally before Qayamat,not a single Muslim will not have the characters what a Muslim is suppose to have
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In answer to the comment posted by "Jew" in fact the Jews had taken far more than they were allotted by the UN Partition Plan before May 1948. They had taken land that was allocated to the Arabs so that when the Independent State of Israel was declared, Egypt and Jordan came in to protect the rest of the land that was allocated to the Palestinians,and if they hadn't, then Israel would have taken the West Bank and Gaza. Eqypt saved what is now Gaza from further incursions by Israel, and Jordan protected what is now the West Bank. History cannot be re-written by the victors in this case, because contemporary newspaper reports tell the story as it happened.
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I agree that Israel has grown up to be a paranoid nation because of the Holocaust. Being in a position of domination has become a value to Israeli citizens beyond logical reasons. But the truth is that at the beginning of Israel's foundation, not only the Holocaust caused this. Right after its foundation, Israel's 600, 000 citizens were attacked by all Arab nations around them, who drastically exceeded Israel in numbers and firepower. These nations included those who were not of Palestine and were therefore not fighting for rights to land or any logical reasons, rather religious or emotional ones. The conflict with these countries, which lasted decades, was the main source for Israel's protective identity. It's not only the Jewish history in Europe that is responsible for the Spartan Jew but the illogical emotional mentality of the region.
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Mr. Mansour has a point but, as the cynic that I am, I think it is one of our worst human traits to visit upon others what was visited upon ourselves. As an abused child grows up to abuse others or a pedophile's victim becomes a pedophile himself, so the most persecuted people in the history of Europe have become the tormentors of another people who had never done them harm. And the rest of the world watches and does nothing.
I think putting the words "empathy" and "human" in the same sentence is wishful thinking. |
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The Spartan Jew is becoming a copy of the German Nazi or the Waffen-SS during WWII, going after the same Jews ... It is a pity that no one learns from history. This is not the way to solve a problem: violence has never solved anything!
As for selling Palestine, the Jews can sell their own Israel: they are the ones after the money! |
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Great article. What a pity it cannot be read by everyone who continually state that the solution to the Palestine/Israel problem is for the Palestinians to accept the status quo, ie to lie down and let Israel take all it wants from the Palestinians and leave them the dregs.
Israel has created a huge problem for itself - it cannot give back the West Bank because the settlers just won't go, and if they were forced, it would create civil war. They cannot just create little bantustans for the Palestinians, because even the US wouldn't accept that, and without US support they would disintegrate. And they cannot annex the West Bank and Gaza because, as people claiming to be a democratic country, they would then have to give the Palestinians the vote, and then in one generation the Palestinians would outnumber the Jews. Politically, here is no solution for Israel. The moral (and legal) solution is that they must return to the 1967 borders. The West Bank can then run as a normal country, and Gaza will settle down, as Hamas will have no further beef with Israel. |
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I read your discussion about the spartan jew, I don't personally have access to the problems that existed with the various cultures to make a conclusion as to why the jewish people are so hateful, or appear to be so hateful as to murder the masses of innocent women and children which they certainly do, to a people whose homeland they stole from them. Historically, when they joined the United Nations it was under the promise they would settle this account, return the homes of those they took, or settle with them. This promise has yet to be fulfilled. I have come to believe that while those who control the laws, academia, and the published media like to group peoples under a single banner, This Idea runs parallel to classifying the intelligence of the other species under one word, instinct. Its easy to call everyone who goes to a mosque a moslem, a synagogue, a jew, a church a christian etc etc. To me this is ibvalid and merely serves to point that the languages are still in a primative state, unable to define reality, but, to admitt this would be to admitt that the entire basis on which you supposidly live your life is at best a lie, and that the laws are invalid, made without access to the variables, or for some other reason, like predatory, for the sole purpose of giving one man power over another so he may steal his assets, Or in the case of academia it would be to admitt that most of what you teach as fact is at best trivia, based on unfounded principles made without access to the variables as well, and that academic ventures are in the education business to make money and create classes of peoples, favoring the wealthy who have the cash to buy nobility degrees. The reality is simple really, as our instrumentation changes we change with it, our languages change, new words come into being that displace the words left by the preliterate scribes who wrote down absolute truths that time revealed as lies. Examples are too many to name but a few: the earth is flat and square, with a foundation, It is the absolute center of the universe and the sun, moon and stars rotate around it, mental illness is caused by demons, not brain damage and enzymatic imbalences, Illness is caused because you broke moses laws, The earth was created in 6 or 7 days, Its about 6,000 years old the list goes on and on. The only way people can continue to pretend they believe is through literary hypnosis, chanting the same things over and over, rituals. Fear that to disbelieve will bring you and your family harm. The real truth is that only real truth can exist, truth being the absence of a lie. We know very little about the real truth, My belief is that there is a spiritual world unseen by most and that truth is an ancient word ment to describe God. We are all of us individuals and bo one is the same and that all the land is holy land and all the children are chosen people. I studied the jewish community very closely, there are like any religion a lotta sects;Hassidic, ultraorthodox, orthodox, conservative, modernistic, etc. Similar to the moslems, they pretend to be intolerent of the others. The jews are similar to the Inuit Tribe of Indians, They n believe they were the only living survivors of the last great ice age, and that the rest of humanity evolved from them. A majority of jews pretend to believe they are gods chosen people and that everyone else comes in second to first, their secular communities neighbors are either servants, hirelings, customers, or enemies. The world is theirs, as they populate it to the 4 corners it is the others who must dissappear into time. They believe that deception is the key to tikum olam 9 a complete undoing of the world , to make way for their every growing population explosion. Their goal is to individoally and collectively control the productive assets, and ther is no crime unless you can describe it and that if your gang is large enough, this can happen. I am similar to the palestinians in that I tried to go into a business someone in their group felt was theirs, I faced an unending wall of strangers willing to act against me. They destroyed my business, my family, had the police shoot my dog, imprison my 15 year old daughter for 5 years trying to get her to connect me to murder crimes. My spouse barely escaped with our son, and is afraid to be around me. I fought a large jewish group in court and won a small victory. They had to end their pseudo zealous selfserving business because a federal government fired them because they were using a gobernment agency for ethnic cleansing. The head rabbi called me up and said " we will make your life a living hell " Since then I have been in prison four times, they have clout in some courts ( whatever they say is fact---whatever you say is hearsay---The facts are they will win the accuse, right or wrong "deception " They believe in it. When you are a commercial criminal gang this large you can do things, they real biggy was after WW1 The world court declared Germany would pay for the cost of the war, The bailiffs went to germany and took over the german infrastrusture, the people were virtual slaves, meinwhile Hitler, his mom was jewish, decided to go into the greeting card business, he went to the effort of the poems and the artwork , but when he tried to get them published, he was told that he was not in fact jewish and the greeting card industry was an established jewish business. He became so mad, that he left austria and went to germany and entered politics and his promise was to rid germany of the jewish bailiffs, in fact the jews altogether. Hw was elected. In 1949 he advised the 900,000 jews to get out of germany because he felt they would sabatogue his war effort which he felt was inevitable because of communist russia--karl marx--jewish. give according to your ability and receive according to your needs " utopia " The Vikings fell for the trick.To get all the assets under one owner, the government, and when the government failed then get title to the assets, It took 150 years but it worked out well for them. The world class mafia, armed with international law has reared its ugly head. the law is that anything goes, slavery, genocide, with enough money, you can have anything you want. If its not for sale, then ethnically cleanse the region and simply take it, with legal title and all, anything is fair in war, and your neighbor is your ultimate enemy. Personally I have devoted my life to instrumetation, I believe everyone is the same and the only thing separating them is the awareness that they would be no different than anyone else if they had lived their lives. Sure what Hitler did was a horrific crime, In my opinion, murdering innocent people and indeed destroying nature is a crime. I believe the children, armed with one book will join under one banner, the truth, and go into the future searching for truths instead of memorizing trivia and theoretical academic constructs that are just a lot of fiction, for want of a better understanding of reality I believe all children are good, or want to be, and armed with one book will soon see through the veil of ignorance and make this earth a better place, respecting the other vetrabrates with languages, cultures, families, emotions, they meet fall in love and many live happily ever after, the ones lrft are equiped with the assets to live in a natural world. I have hope, and respect, for all people, and pray that we see reason, and quit the chase for who can pile up the biggest pile of trash, fueled by lust and greed, Blaming everything on their respective gods. Good luck and may god bless america and indeed the world
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Al ah Almansour,
You are absolutely right in every single word. Your article represents every palestinian's feelings. I am a Palestinian who lives in Europe and I feel very embarrassed that I am considered an Arab because of the attitude of the arabic republics towards the situation that is taking place these days, as I know that they have the power to stand up for the palestinian rights. Thank you for expressing our feeling, Respectfully Efat Giakoub. |
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If you were told as a child that you are superior to the others " goyim " and all your friends and neighbors were like this ( secular community ) then you would be like that. Your neighboring communities would be viewed as servants, hirelings, customers, or enemies. The average jewish family has 5.7 children per family. They were disposed from germany becuase so many of them were there as bailiffs to collect the costs of WW1 as granted by the world courts. The germans lost far more people that the jews. Anyone would be the same as anyone else if they had been raised like them. Its too bad when people believe its OK to take the lands and resources of others, thats why we have wars, people fight back against injustice. Perhaps with one book the children of the future will abandon the words of preliterate scribes that dictate their uninformed lives, and we can diminish and make the world a better place and worship " Truth " an ancient word ment to describe god, truth being the absence of a lie, is in reality all that exists. Different constructs of truth have been created in an effort to conceal untruths, or lies. The world and beyond is an incredible complex and interesting reality, of which we know so little, the discovery of these things will bring us ever closer to the truth, which is all that exists. Don't let yourself become a slave to someone elses wishes and desires, respect every thing and everyone, don't make decisions without access to the variables, and protect yourself against those that do, because they act without respect, and this era of vast unawareness must end and be replaced with a world ruled by respect, kindness and caring in our search for the truths that may save us from this impending doom we burden ourselves with by overpopulating and denaturing the earth on which we rely for the continuation of life itself. Live the Golden rule, do unto others as you would have them do unto you
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I felt the article was a very interesting analysis of the psychological perceptions of both Israelis and Palestinians in the present day conflict. As a Jew, I never put much thought into the attitudes of the "Spartan Jew" (I'll use this term since it was used in the article but to a 3rd party that term maybe be offensive if taken out of context). I felt that the conclusion that the militant Israeli's hostility comes from the insecurity of years of oppression and the holocaust, was a very fair and logical conclusion. It is similar to the belief explained by Chris Hedges in his book "War Is a Force That Gives us Meaning" that nations will always see themselves on the defensive end of conflict. Hence, the author's conclusion in the emailed article would agree that the notion of "Never Again" is defensive at heart, but to a certain extent has been bastardized to draw at a negative emotion from within Israel, and has resulted in violence on my people's part.
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thanks for the email. I was quite aware of the israelie's intent on the palestinians. My people have suffered many years of genocide. From the day we allowed the colonizers on our land, that is the day the destruction took place. I understand everything you are talking about only because of the similarities in their attack on my people. They use their churches, their bible and the government system to abuse my people. The sexual abuse and the torture that took place within the residential schools have had a long term effect on my people, including myself. I hated myself, i hated who i was, i disliked my people, my family and what my culture reflected, but as the years went by, i realized who i was and it took years for me to like myself, to fit into my own skin and to realize that i have lost so much. We as indigenous people had no idea what was happening, and even today alot of my people are not well , although we struggle to try and find something we know we have lost....ourselves , and the government continues to take advantage of a very unhealthy race, by signing treaties that make no sense, by taking away our self identifying indentity, our language, our culture, our families. He use so many tactics such as taking away our land, our homes, our families, our culture. We are misrepresented as the first people. We are on this land they have occupied and they call it canada. I continue to see the destruction and the system taking advantage of my people. I see my people homeless, dealing with diseases and our inherent rights to this land we call mother earth. I see the palestinians struggling against a system that wants only to destroy. I see my indigenous people all over the world dealing with genocide. And they understand and know who has inherent rights to the land and that is why they bring war and their weapons. Canada has gotten quite strategic about their tactics. Destroy and conquer. Divide and separate. Devide us from ourselves. Our men are displaced, dealing with addiction, and jail. Our women are dying and going missing and our children are caught up in a system that makes no sense, because once you are caught up in this canadian government system, you can't do anything right for them, because every thing we do is wrong. So mothers lose alot of their rights to their own children and my people then become a commodity for this society. My people are dying and the silent screams for "help" is going un noticed. The government got very smart and started using our own people against each other. We've been pushed so far into poverty, that alot of my people need the money the government offers that they turn their very backs on their people. If the government can't control my people, then they sent in the churches and if this doesn't help, he took away our hunting and fishing rights, put us on small reserves and formed the chief and coucil. This is a way of controlling our people on their reserves. He disregards our hereditary chiefs and the elected chiefs get paid to keep our own people oppressed and dealing with many dysfunctions. Yes i understand what is happening and i can see it slowly destroying not only our land, but our people. But......we are waking up. It took year.....but we are waking up to the realization of this systemic racism, this destruction of a race and the inherent rights to this land. We are all dealing and battling for our rights, not only to our self identifying identity, but our culture, our language and our pride as native americans. I senf deep prayers out to the people in gaza and the palestinians who continue to stand strong. My partner is from palestine, he was born in the refugee camp. So when he speaks about what is happening, i understand and see so much similarities in the destruction of a race and their land. It's all about land, but we have to remember that the creator knows who the defenders of the land are. Stay strong palestinians, and know that we are a strong race. Your blood runs strong and your voices will be heard. In the end....you will be the ones standing strong. We as indigenous people are a strong race, that is why the creator picked us to stand against policies of genocide. If we were weak, we would not be standing here now.
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Dear Mr. Mansour,
I think your analysis is absolutely correct, and fits perfectly with the behavior and rhetoric I've encountered in the Jewish community, as well as my own reflections on the subject. I'll add a couple of thoughts, regarding American Jews in particular. My experience has been that many of my people here, particularly those of the older generations who lived through the Holocaust period, rely on idealized images of Israeli strength/potency/dominance to compensate for their own deeply rooted sense of physical weakness and vulnerability. I think this anchoring of people's fragile self-esteem in romanticized views of Israel is a major reason why American Jews are often more ideological, and more difficult to engage rationally regarding Israel/Palestine, than the Israelis themselves. I suspect that this is also a major factor explaining the American Jews who join extremist settler groups in Israel. Many, and I suspect most, of these settlers were not raised in religious families, but rather joined strictly observant Jewish sects in an attempt to compensate for low self-esteem and fragile self-concepts (particularly regarding their Jewish identity). At least one of these sects runs large, religiously-based rehab programs for Jewish drug abusers. While this is a worthy enterprise, many of the young people coming out of these programs are deeply troubled, and I suspect that they are heavily represented among the religious settlers. One of the earlier posters mentioned the tendency for victims of abuse to become abusers, themselves, which reminded me of an encounter I had in Tel Rumeida, Hebron. While working with the ISM in Tel Rumeida, I was attacked by a group of five teenage/young-adult religious school students with Brooklyn accents. The striking thing about the attack was that these were physically very weak boys, almost incapable of doing me serious harm (they were unarmed), who clearly would never have dared to accost me (or anyone else) here in New York. Only with Israeli soldiers standing watch a few yards away, and knowing that my role as a non-violent activist prevented me from striking back, did they feel empowered to attack. May we live to see the day when all Palestinians who desire to do so return to freedom and equality in their homes and lands in Palestine/Israel. And I pray, when that day comes, that my people will also return to their true and better selves. Respectfully, Aaron Levitt |
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Re: Ibrahim Ghoul
Israel doesn't want peace By Gideon Levy The moment of truth has arrived, and it has to be said: Israel does not want peace. The arsenal of excuses has run out, and the chorus of Israeli rejection already rings hollow. Until recently, it was still possible to accept the Israeli refrain that "there is no partner" for peace and that "the time isn't right" to deal with our enemies. Today, the new reality before our eyes leaves no room for doubt and the tired refrain that "Israel supports peace" has been left shattered. It's hard to determine when the breaking point occurred. Was it the absolute dismissal of the Saudi initiative? The refusal to acknowledge the Syrian initiative? Prime Minister Ehud Olmert's annual Passover interviews? The revulsion at the statements made by Nancy Pelosi, the speaker of the U.S. House of Representatives, in Damascus, alleging that Israel was ready to renew peace talks with Syria? Who would have believed it? A high-ranking U.S. official says Israel wants peace talks to resume and instantly her president "severely" denies the veracity of her words. Is Israel even hearing these voices? Are we digesting the significance of these voices for peace? Seven million apathetic Israeli citizens prove that we are not. Entire generations grew up here weaned on self-deception and doubt about the likelihood of achieving peace with our neighbors. In our younger days, David Ben-Gurion told us that if he were only able to meet with Arab leaders, he would have brought us peace in his time. Israel has demanded direct negotiations as a matter of principle and Israelis have derived great pride from the fact that their daily focus on "peace" has concealed their state's lofty ambitions. We were told that there was no partner for peace and that the ultimate ambition of the Arabs is to bring about our destruction. We burned the portraits of "the Egyptian tyrant" at our bonfires on Lag Ba'omer, and were convinced that all blame for the lack of peace lied with our enemies. After that came the occupation, followed by terror, Yassir Arafat, the failed second Camp David Summit and the rise of Hamas to power, and we were sure, always sure, that it was all their fault. In our wildest dreams, we wouldn't have believed that the day would come when the entire Arab world would extend its hand in peace and Israel would brush away the gesture. It would have been even crazier to imagine that this Israeli refusal would have been blamed on not wanting to enrage domestic public opinion. The world has been turned upside down and it is Israel that stands at the forefront of refusal. The policy of refusal of a select few, a vanguard of the extreme, has now become the official policy of Jerusalem. In his Passover interviews, Olmert will tell us that, "The Palestinians stand at the crossroads of a historic decision," but people stopped taking him seriously a long time ago. The historic decision is ours, and we are fleeing from this crossroads and from these initiatives as if from death itself. Terror, used as the ultimate excuse for Israeli refusal, only helps Olmert keep reciting, ad nauseum, "If they [the Palestinians] don't change, don't fight terror and don't adhere to any of their obligations, then they will never extract themselves from their unending chaos." As though the Palestinians haven't taken measures against terrorism, as though Israel is the one to determine what their obligations are, as though Israel isn't to blame for the unending chaos Palestinians suffer under the occupation. Israel makes a point of setting prerequisites and believes it has an exclusive right to do so. But, time and time again, Israel avoids the most basic prerequisite for any just peace - an end to the occupation. Of all the questions asked during his Passover interviews, no one bothered to ask Olmert why he didn't react with excitement to the recent Arab initiatives, without preconditions? The answer: real estate. The real estate of the settlements. It's not only Olmert who is dragging his feet. A leading figure in the Labor party said last week that "it will take five to 10 years to recover from the trauma." Peace is now no more than a threatening wound, with no one still talking about the massive social benefits it would bring in development, security, freedom of movement in the region and by establishing a more just society. Like a little Switzerland, we are focusing more these days on the dollar exchange rate and on the allegations of embezzlement leveled against the Finance Ministry than on the fateful opportunities fading away before our very eyes. Not every day and not even in every generation do we encounter an opportunity like this. Although it's not for sure if the initiatives are completely solid and believable, or if they are based on trickery, no one has stepped up to challenge or acknowledge them. When Olmert is an elderly grandfather, what will he tell his grandchildren? That he turned over every stone in the name of peace? That there was no other choice? What will his grandchildren say? |
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I have always believed that if I were born into a different culture, that I'd react in similar fashion to that society, give or take one standard of deviation. Therefore, one part of my brain prefers to be sympathetic to all cultures, regardless how repulsive they may be to the other side of my brain.
However, the real issue is not philosophical, but rather practical: how to reconcile the three Mosiac religions. In this regard, I believe that one major obstacle is that the various news agencies are subjective in their reporting. This coupled with the typical American disdain for reading and analyzing the news is another principle obstacle. Having taken the Palestian side more often than not, I began urging my pro-Israel friends to start reading the Israeli Internet news source: Ha'aretz. This news source clearly outlines on a daily basis, the treatment of Palestinians by the Israeli government and the Israeli fanatics. Interestingly, those who began reading Ha'aretz, have almost universally begun to change their attitudes on the conflict. What my previously pro-Israeli friends conclude is that: 1) Israel main objective is to take posession of the entire Levant, and 2) when there is relative calm, the Isrealis continually provoke the Palestinians, e.g., a) the June 2008 Gaza Beach artillery firings, b) targeted assassinations of 'suspected' terrorists, usually in vehicles carrying innocent family members, c) continual expansion of their religious settlements, d) the siege of Gaza, preventing the Gaza from establishing a civil society and e) most recently as the last 'cease fire' was ending, proclaiming that they will never vacate their large settlements in Palestine. In summary, my previously pro-Israeli now believe that the Israelis are a very insidious people and believe that the Israelis themselves are the root cause of Antisemitism. |
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In response to Matthew - while the press concentrates on the veil covering Muslim women's faces, you should concentrate on lifting the veil of prejudice.
This is not about Israelis stealing Palestinian land, this is a conflict of cultures. And Palestinians have used every excuse they can dredge up to blame others for maintaining their own pathetic existence in the Arab world. In the Americas, the indigenous population was overrun and their land taken away from them. The injustice remains, but despite the heroics of Wounded Knee, there are few rockets being launched from the reserves on which they have been relegated. The aborigines of Oz and the Maoris of New Zealand have, for better or worse, survived the English colonization, and learned to live in their corners of their traditional lands. The Hawaiians have lost most of their islands to pineapple farms, but do not demand aid from from the rest of the world. Only the Lebanese seem to understand the Palestine issue - and that is why, they have reluctantly allowed Palestinians to settle in their land, but with the proviso that they live in designated, self-governed areas, which we deem refugee camps, totally separate from Lebanese governance. Any squalor and/or deprivation is solely the responsibility of the Palestinians. It is interesting that even the Jordanian representative, Muashar, cites the relative better position of the Palestinians of the West Bank, who may yet attain their own self-governing country, only because they negotiate with the Israelis, rather than launch rockets. It is the definition of insanity to continue to repeat the same behavior, and expect a different result. Despite the interesting take on the "Spartan Israelis", remember that Ben-gurion accepted the UN decision to slit Palestine, giving the Jewish Palestinians (the official designation on passports as issued by the Mandate government) only a portion of the land that Balfour had promised - and it was the Palestinians who rejected the compromise, expecting to overrun the Jewish Palestinians within the week. Lastly, Matthew, ask yourself why it is that Egypt closes the Rafah border, and restricts passage of goods and people into and out of Gaza, but all the ranting is focused on the restrictions enforced by the Jewish Palestinians? How come Hamas does not protest against Egyptian closed borders by launching rockets into the Sinai? |
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Dear Abu al-Sous, thanks for your article.
You are right this "conflict" is not about religion but about plain and simple theft of Palestinian land by Israel. The Jews have created the World's largest open air prison in Gaza where it has reduced the population to survive by eating grass -- there is/was no way in or out -- there is/were targeted assassinations -- bombs at any time -day or night -- continual non stop terror 24/7 !!!!! Continued requests by the elected Palestinian Government (HAMAS) for a peaceful solution were dismissed and as a protest Palestinians continued to send their "home made" rockets into Israel in response to let the World know that in 2007--2008 there was this Warsaw type Ghetto situation being "allowed" and supported and paid for by US Taxpayers !!! The Geneva Convention and many UN resolutions were ALL ignored by Israel and the US. As with Lebanon in 2006 Jews are killing Arabs in Gaza at will and destroying any and all infrastructure that Israel has not destroyed previously again supported and paid for by American Taxpayers !!!!! The logic of this is surely not unknown to Jews Worldwide and one can only wonder their long term objective ! xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Jews consists of 0.02% of the World’s population. Islam consists of 23% of the World’s population. How can Jews or ANYONE think that 0.02% of the World’s population killing 23% of the World’s population at will is acceptable ? xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Israel with 250 NUKES the 4th strongest Military in the World created by the USA is just “completely” out of control!! Shamefully it says a lot for the USA and its 80% Christians who have supported Israeli Nazi Zionist tactics for over 60 YEARS !! The hypocrisy of Americans and Jews is shameful and shows their near total "ignorance" fed them by the US media as in the lead up to the US "War" in Iraq !!! To really help Jews and Israel in its search for “peace” the USA must stop giving Israel $10 Billion of American Taxpayer dollars every year!!!! The only solution is to educate the American masses --Jews especially - via personal contact and the Internet ----to explain with knowledge that it is a Jewish solution that is necessary -- Jews have to "rejoin" humankind and admit that they are not "chosen" but regular humans and rejoin "humankind"!!! G.W.Bush called it a Crusade. A Judeo/Christion Crusade against 23% of the World's population who "adhere" to Islam. Can any Jew or American still wonder "why do they hate us" ?????????? Israel is the out of control Jewish Nuclear super power in the middle of a sea of Islam. HELP WANTED PLEASE -- the World may be counting on all of us humans yes you and the rest of us !!! NOW !!!! |
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Dear Abu al-Sous, thanks for your article which brings honour to every Palestinian as it betrays the genuine good willing soul of you my dear people. Unfortunately, again as 60 years ago we have to witness a new year start in the blood and each and every of your thoughts and yearnings is good and I share the same feelings as if I lived these sensations on my skin.. But I don't know when all this massacre of bodies and souls will be ending.. Now in these days I don't see a solution...
You wrote rightly when you said this has nothing to do with a regious war I am 100 % with you.. this has to do with hanger of injustice and hanger of dispossession, in change of nothing but blood shed... Unfortunately I have to tell you that western people don't live on their skin all what you are suffering in the body and in the soul.. I have lost any hope any help will come from outside.. Probably this half a century war has become a part of our present story .. as something which cannot be disclosed... Horrible! I would just say that there are two choices among the number of possible solutions.. One is fighting to the end of lives and keeping the "rights" there and the other just at the opposite is: Nobody has rights (on both parts) coz they have beeen canceled by rivers of blood and we are simply here to find a way how, inch by inch, to share what is there... Probably you will need generations to start becoming "friend" .. and I know very well you have different degrees of involvment and attitudes.. But really I have lost any hope on the International Community and willing do something decisive to assist any of you.. I can only hope and pray you just change your point of sight and shift to a peacefull mediation but I insist this has to come by talking between parts ready to talk!! If I was in the power I would have given back all your lands but nether me neither others will do on behalf of involved parties.. I am always strongly with you and your families and my heart tears apart when I hear of your children victim of this great historical western mistake.. Giulio |
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I read your article with very much interest. I am indeed baffled with the situation in Palestine. What are the sins of the Palestinian Muslims to receive such horrendous treatment from the Jews? Muslims were never the enemy of the Jews. In fact, Muslims were always protecting the Jews from the persecution of the Christians. For almost 2000 years, the Jews were scattered all around the world. The Christians hated the Jews because they believe that the Jews were the ones who crucified Jesus. But strangely, in the past century, the Christians became allies to the Jews and helped to liberate the Holy Land for them. Why this sudden change of stand? Who are these Jews?
As you had rightly pointed out, the Jews who live in Israel today are immigrants from Europe. These are not the original Jews who are descendants of Abraham but rather the decedents of the ‘khazar’ tribe that lived in the Caucasian mountains who converted into Judaism. These so called Jews do not prescribe to Judaism but rather believe in the doctrine of Zionism. The Holy Quran points out about the emergence of this group of Jews: O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily Allah guided not a people unjust. Al-Maidah; 5:51 I would like to bring your attention to the underlined verse. God Almighty restricts Muslims to become friends with Jews and Christians, but the Holy Prophet Muhammad (Peace Be Upon Him) had friends who were Jews and Christians. In fact, the Prophet himself instructed the Muslims who were persecuted in Mecca to seek shelter in Abyssinia which was ruled by a Christian monarch. To have a clear understanding of this command, we must further look into the verse whereby God Almighty commands Muslims not to become friends with Jews and Christians who are ‘friends and protectors to each other.’ Therefore, this verse clearly explains that that would come a time whereby the Jews and Christians would become friends and allies of which we are witnessing before our eyes. I rest my case. |
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As a latino who still carries the
Palestinian 'effect' in my gene's (I came to this country as a 4 year old child from Mexico) I understand your 'passion' and 'respect' it very much. I have been pro-Palestinian for many years and write about 100 emails each week to my Senators, President and many of the Jewish sites (Zionist) regarding Israel's criminal past and present. As the bombs explode in Gaza, as I write, I feel an intense desire to raise money, print anti-ZioNAZI posters and stickers and distribute them (as I distribute many of the handout brochures and magazines produced by the 'Washington Report on the Middle East magazine.' Like, 'Remember These Children,' please check-out www.RememberTheseChildren.com , the 'Nakba anniversery issure 300 copies!, and others). Unfortunately, my local Palestinian friends are always reluctant to 'boycott,' 'march the synogogues,' etc. etc. But, after thinking about it I was no longer angry at them - remembering what happened to Proffessor Sammy al-Arian in the hands of the racist federal courts in Florida. God Bless, I pray for Palestine and it's people, Salaaaam! TheAZCowBoy Tombstone, AZ. |
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Thanks, very interesting (and moving) article.
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As a psychologist, I find this insightful. It is commonplace for the victim to become the victimizer, simply changing roles in the familiar game rather than giving up the game. Thus, the humiliated, abused, emasculated victim (the father unable to protect his family during the Holocaust) becomes the cruel, sadistic, non-empathic (i.e., sociopathic), arrogant bully (emasculating Palestinian fathers by bulldozing their homes, committing massacres against which they are helpless, and driving their families into refugee camps). This employs the defense mechanism psychoanalysts call "projective identification" wherein the self-image of despised weakling is projected onto the "other" by manipulating the other into that position.
In the most recent example, Israel has repeatedly violated its cease-fire with Hamas including the killing of 6 Gazans in a Nov. 4 attack (while the US and world press were preoccupied with our election) on one of their lifeline tunnels to Egypt, and again on Dec. 2 killing two Gazan children with a drone-launched missile, as well as increasing rather than easing its strangulation of Gaza in violation of the cease-fire agreement. Hamas nevertheless honored the truce until its expiration on Dec. 19 before retaliating with its very low-tech rockets, causing one Israeli death. Israel, aided and abetted by a duplicitous press, then used this as an excuse to launch their genocidal, high-tech, machismo-proving attack killing some 360 as of this writing while only 5 more Israelis have died - a 60/1 kill ratio, as usual vastly favoring the bullies, protected as always by their indulgent, abuse-enabling Great Uncle Sam. This is a classic, and sickening, addictive abuse relationship facilitated by a classic enabler (the US) that the watching world finds as appalling as it finds Israel’s excuses absurd. It is a “third degree game” (played for keeps) as described by transactional analysis founder Dr. Eric Berne, which is part of an ultimately tragic, self-destructive cultural script. The hatred that Israel is arousing and the soul-poisoning spiritual corruption this generates within the body politic will inevitably bring the Zionist experiment to an ignominious end. These forces are already visible to observers within Israel such as author Michel Warshawski (see “Toward an Open Tomb”). Their only hope would lie in a 12-step type model involving abandonment of the extreme hubris upon which Zionism is based, acknowledgment of failure to achieve a decent society worthy of mankind’s trust and respect, “a fearless moral inventory” from 1948 to the present, and full, voluntary restitution to their many, many victims, perhaps determined by the International Court of Justice to whose judgment they should humbly submit. But like the central protagonist in a classic Shakespearean tragedy, Israel appears instead to be rushing headlong and heedlessly toward the edge of the precipice above the flames. |
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The Times, Thursday, May 24, 1917. Page 5
THE FUTURE OF THE JEWS PALESTINE AND ZIONISM VIEWS OF ANGLO-JEWRY In view of the statements and discussions lately published in the newspapers relative to a projected Jewish resettlement in Palestine on a national basis, the Conjoint Foreign Committee of the Board of Deputies of British Jews and the Anglo-Jewish Association deem it necessary to place on record the views they hold on this important question. The Holy Land has necessarily a profound and undying interest for all Jews, as the cradle of their religion, the main theatre of Bible history, and the site of its sacred memorials. It is not, however, as a mere shrine or place of pilgrimage that they regard the country. Since the dawn of their political emancipation in Europe the Jews have made the rehabilitation of the Jewish community in the Holy Land one of their chief cares, and they have always cherished the hope that the result of their labours would be a regeneration on Palestinian soil of a Jewish community, worthy of the great memories of their environment, and a source of spiritual inspiration to the whole of Jewry. Accordingly, the Conjoint Committee have welcomed with deep satisfaction the prospect of a rich fruition of this work, opened to them by the victorious progress of the British Army in Palestine. THE “CULTURAL” POLICY Anxious that on this question all sections and parties in Jewry should be united in a common effort, the committee intimated to the Zionist organisations as far back as the winter of 1914 their readiness to cooperate with them on the basis of the so-called “cultural” policy which had been adopted at the last two Zionist Congresses in 1911 and 1913. This policy aimed at making Palestine a Jewish spiritual centre by securing for the local Jews, and the colonists who might join them, such conditions of life as would best enable them to develop the Jewish genius on lines of its own. Larger political questions, not directly affecting this main purpose, were left to be solved as need and opportunity might render possible. Unfortunately, an agreement on these lines has not proved practicable, and the conjoint committee are consequently compelled to pursue their work alone. They are doing so on the basis of a formula adopted by them in March, 1916, in which they propose to recommend to his Majesty’s government the formal recognition of the high historic interest Palestine possesses for the Jewish community, and a public declaration that at the close of the war “the Jewish population will be secured in the enjoyment of civil and religious liberty, equal political rights with the rest of the population, reasonable facilities for immigration and colonisation, and such municipal privileges in the towns and colonies inhabited by them as may be shown to be necessary.” That is still the policy of the conjoint committee. Meanwhile, the committee have learnt from the published statements of the Zionist leaders in this country that they now favour a much larger scheme of essentially political character. Two points in this scheme appear to the committee to be open to grave objections on public grounds. NATIONALITY AND RELIGION The first is a claim that the Jewish settlements in Palestine be recognised as possessing a national character in a political sense. Were this claim of prely local import, it might well be left to settle itself in accordance with the general political exigencies of the reorganisation of the country under a new sovereign power. The conjoint committee, indeed, would have no objections to urge against a local Jewish nationality establishing itself in such conditions. But the present claim is not of this limited scope. It is part and parcel of a wider Zionist theory, which regards all Jewish communities of the world as constituting one homeless nationality, incapable of complete social and political identification with the nations among whom they dwell, and it is argued that for this homeless nationality a political centre and an always available homeland in Palestine are necessary. Against this theory the conjoint committee strongly and earnestly protest. Emancipated Jews in this country regard themselves primarily as a religious community, and they have always based their claims to political equality with their fellow-citizens of other creeds on this assumption and on its corollary – that they have no separate national aspirations in a political sense. They hold Judaism to be a religious system, with which their political status has no concern, and they maintain that, as citizens of the countries in which they live, they are fully and sincerely identified with the national spirit and interests of those countries. It follows that the establishment of a Jewish nationality in Palestine, founded on this theory of Jewish homelessness, must have the effect throughout the world of stamping the Jews as strangers in their native lands, and of undermining their hard-won position as citizens and nationals of those lands. Moreover a Jewish political nationality, carried to its logical conclusion, must, in the present circumstances of the world, be an anachronism. The Jewish religion being the only certain test of a Jew, a Jewish nationality must be founded on, and limited by, the religion. It cannot be supposed for a moment that any section of Jews would aim at a commonwealth governed by religious tests, and limited in the matter of freedom of conscience; but can a religious nationality express itself politically any other way? The only alternative would be a secular Jewish nationality, recruited on some loose and obscure principal of race and ethnographic peculiarity; but this would not be Jewish in any spiritual sense, and its establishment in Palestine would be a denial of all they ideals and hopes by which the revival of Jewish life in that country commends itself to the Jewish consciousness and Jewish sympathy. On these grounds the conjoint committee deprecate most earnestly the national proposals of the Zionists. UNDESIRABLE PRIVILEGES The second point in the Zionist programme which has aroused the misgivings of the conjoint committee is the proposal to invest the Jewish settlers in Palestine with certain special rights in excess of those enjoyed by the rest of the population, these rights to be embodied in a Charter and to be administered by a Jewish Chartered Company. Whether it is desirable or not to confide any portion of the administration of Palestine to a Chartered Company need not be discussed., but it is certainly very undesirable that Jews should solicit, or accept such a concession, on a basis of political privileges and economic preferences. Any such action would prove a veritable calamity for the whole Jewish people. In all the countries in which they live the principle of equal rights for all religious denominations is vital for them. Were they to set an example in Palestine of disregarding this principle they would convict themselves of having appealed to it for purely selfish motives. In the countries in which they are still struggling for equality they would find themselves hopelessly compromised, while in other counties where those rights have been secured, they would have great difficulty in defending them. The proposal is the more inadmissible because the Jews are, and will probably long remain, a minority of the population of Palestine, and because it would involve them in the bitterest feuds with their neighbours of other races and religions, which would seriously retard their progress, and would find deplorable echoes throughout the Orient. Nor is the scheme necessary for the Zionists themselves. If the Jews prevail in a competition based on perfect equality of rights and opportunity they will establish their eventual preponderance in the land on a far sounder foundation than any that can be secured by privileges and monopolies. If the conjoint committee can be satisfied with regard to these points they will be prepared to cooperate in securing for the Zionist organisations the united support of Jewry. (Signed) DAVID L ALEXANDER, President, Board of Deputies of British Jews. (Signed) CLAUDE G MONTEFIORE, President Anglo-Jewish Association London, May 17, 1917 |
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A fine article passionate and reasonable at the same time. In the end I am left with the same unresolved question. What to do? 60 years and more than two generations after the fact much has changed. Even without the cataclysmic events of the past 60 years much would have changed. Does it make sense to pine for what was? If we could guess where Palestine might have been had it not been for partition and make that the target and as time passes make the goal of Palestinians a moving target moving toward where they might have been without partition?
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Thank you for sharing this article. it speaks loud on a wrongly suppressed topic. for anyone who can out there, spread this article to friends and foes...you'll be amazed how much of a role we can all play. we don't need CNN or Foxnews to do the work for us.
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In 1962 I had a debate with a jew born in Alepo/Syria,in 1946 he left to Italy and lived there as Italian native... he has the italian nationality...he said to me if arabs agree the peace with Israel, we shall sell for them the barrel of oil to the europeans for fiftly dollars....it was their dream which we observe now...
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Very good article we need more pictures to show the world the truth facts and the real story tanks.
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Very inspiring, right on target.
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Thank you for this great article, waiting for the next one.
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Now that you have mentioned Eastern European Jewish migration, can we revisit the 6m number of the holocaust. As an accountant its very simple. If we assume 30% were nabbed by the Nazis (the rest escaped eg Robert Maxwell - and they had the money to do so), then it means there were 20m Jews in Europe excluding UK and Russia in 1938 !!?? Removing the Scandinavian countries and the known Jewish populations of France and Italy,if we look at demographic comparison of population levels today vs in 1938, what this 6m figure means is that one in four persons in Eastern Europe was a Jew. Simply not possible !!
We are not denying the concentration camps but the figure was much much lower. A losing Nazi retreating army devoting its resources (rail,fuel,manpower etc) on a vast scale (6m) over a 13-15 month period. Simply not logically or logistically possible. 6m is a fake propaganda figure. Of course the propaganda of this figure allowed the Zionists to create Israel. Aren't there any Palestinian scholars who have researched this 6m figure scientifically based on the demographics of 1938 extrapolated to today?? Don't the Arabs have the money to foot such research? Or are they buying the fighter planes that rust in the desert instead of buying the real weapons - the newspapers and other media that the Jews are so successfully using? |
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Great article!! Good said! I appreciate and love it!
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Very moving article, it should be widely published for every one to read.
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Just "google" "Deir Yasin' sometimes spelt "Deir Yassin" and lots of things come up. It was a village wher the Irgun massacred 240 or so inhabitants - the village had a non-agression pact with a neighbouring Jewish village because they saw, early in 1948, what was happening. The Irgun ignored this pact. You will get google results from both spellings.